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Who is the selfish one when suicide is involved? |
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Replies: 51 Last Post Aug. 12, 2008 6:58am by Loud Dog
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Web Resources: Suicide Myths Dispelled, Suicide Information
USA Suicide Hotline: 1-800-SUICIDE (1-800-784-2433)
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Nikki
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I'm sorry. That is nonsense. I'm not going to even bother replying, because that is quite disgusting on so many levels for me.
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2:00 pm on July 13, 2008 | Joined Dec. 2002 | 1481 Days Active Join to learn more about Nikki England, United Kingdom | Label Free Female | 18093 Posts | 41575 Points
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Nikki
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Well, I don't believe it to be selfish. Unfair, yes, but a lot of things in life are unfair. If that person feels it is in their best interests to end their life, then how can anyone else pass judgement on whether it is selfish or not?
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4:56 am on July 14, 2008 | Joined Dec. 2002 | 1481 Days Active Join to learn more about Nikki England, United Kingdom | Label Free Female | 18093 Posts | 41575 Points
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Quote: from Nikki at 7:56 am on July 14, 2008
Well, I don't believe it to be selfish. Unfair, yes, but a lot of things in life are unfair. If that person feels it is in their best interests to end their life, then how can anyone else pass judgement on whether it is selfish or not? 
...by looking at the definition of the word "selfish?"
selfˇish Audio Help /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sel-fish] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -adjective 1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others. 2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself 
From dictionary.com Regardless of whether it's unfair, courageous, cowardly or fair, committing suicide and being focused solely on your own pain and not the potential pain of others is selfish. Note how I've never said it was bad, wrong or that people shouldn't do it, just that it is selfish, which it is.
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Nikki
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Hm, well, that may be, but I just don't think it's a primarily selfish act.
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Nikki
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People thinking of suicide are not rational. If you're thinking about ending your life, you're not going to be looking at anything from a logical viewpoint. Someone, say, who was buying a family car, but bought one to suit their needs more than anyone elses would be selfish. But someone committing suicide isn't thinking logically. They are in that much pain that that's all they feel will stop it.
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5:53 am on July 14, 2008 | Joined Dec. 2002 | 1481 Days Active Join to learn more about Nikki England, United Kingdom | Label Free Female | 18093 Posts | 41575 Points
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People control their own lives. The families and friends are the selfish ones.
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Nikki
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I never said it WAS part of any definition, just that because these people are suicidal, then they can't be subjected to the same rules of "Logic" that everyone else is.
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2:08 pm on July 14, 2008 | Joined Dec. 2002 | 1481 Days Active Join to learn more about Nikki England, United Kingdom | Label Free Female | 18093 Posts | 41575 Points
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Nikki
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I'd agree with that, but I don't believe selfishness is the main reason behind suicide (which I don't think you're arguing, btw).
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5:15 am on July 15, 2008 | Joined Dec. 2002 | 1481 Days Active Join to learn more about Nikki England, United Kingdom | Label Free Female | 18093 Posts | 41575 Points
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Quote: from Nikki at 8:15 am on July 15, 2008
I'd agree with that, but I don't believe selfishness is the main reason behind suicide (which I don't think you're arguing, btw). 
That would depend on how you're defining selfishness. If you're going by the dictionary definition, it is, in fact, the main reason behind suicide, whether people are mentally ill or not. If you're going by some other definition, well, I have no idea because I don't know your definitions.
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